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Celedine
08-29-2008, 10:59 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080829/wr_nm/comcast_internet_dc

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Comcast Corp, the largest U.S. cable operator, said on Thursday it will cap customers' Internet usage starting October 1, in a bid to ensure the best service for the vast majority of its subscribers.

Comcast said it was setting a monthly data usage threshold of 250 gigabytes per account for all residential high-speed Internet customers, or the equivalent of 50 million e-mails or 124 standard-definition movies.

"If a customer exceeds more than 250 GB and is one of the heaviest data users who consume the most data on our high-speed Internet service, he or she may receive a call from Comcast's Customer Security Assurance (CSA) group to notify them of excessive use," according to the company's updated Frequently Asked Questions on Excessive Use.

Customers who top 250 GB in a month twice in a six-month timeframe could have service terminated for a year.

Comcast said up to 99 percent of its 14 million Internet subscribers would not be affected by the new threshold, which it said would help ensure the quality of Internet delivery is not degraded by a minority of heavy users.

U.S. Internet subscribers are typically not aware of any limit on their Internet usage once they sign up to pay a flat monthly fee to their service provider.

As Web usage has rocketed, driven by the popularity of watching online video, photo-sharing and music downloading services, cable and phone companies have been considering various techniques to limit or manage heavy usage.

But Comcast has come under fire from a variety of sources for its network management techniques.

The U.S. Federal Communications Commission investigated complaints by consumer groups that it was blocking peer-to-peer applications like BitTorrent, and earlier this month ordered Comcast to modify its network management.

Comcast has said that by the end of the year it will change its network management practices to ensure all Web traffic is treated essentially the same, but has also been exploring other ways to prevent degradation of its Internet service delivery.

One consumer group said while Comcast's new 250 GB limit was "relatively high," it could eventually ensnare customers as technology progresses.

"If Comcast has oversold their network to the point of creating congestion problems, then well-disclosed caps for Internet use are a better short-term solution than Comcast's current practice of illegally blocking Internet traffic," said S Derek Turner of Free Press, a Washington, D.C.-based consumer advocacy group that filed a complaint about Comcast's network management practices earlier this year.

The Philadelphia-based company is not alone in trying to come up with ways to limit heavy Internet usage.

Time Warner Cable Inc, the second-largest U.S. cable operator, said in January it would run a trial of billing Internet subscribers based on usage rather than a flat fee.

Comcast spokesman Charlie Douglas said Comcast was also considering so-called consumption-based billing, but no decisions had been made.

crystilla
08-29-2008, 11:03 AM
Wow.

Anyone know what our typical gaming usage is?

Xikariz
08-29-2008, 11:20 AM
Yeah, if this affects my playtime I'll be switching ISP's.

Paron
08-29-2008, 11:40 AM
EQ still supports Modem play, granted, it sucks.

If we double a modems bandwidth, to say 100K BITS per second, that is a theoretical maximum of about 12K Bytes per second. If you ran at that rate for a 31 day month with no interruptions, 24 x 7 , you would use about 35GB of bandwidth. I suppose if you six-box 24x7 all day, everyday, you might *possibly* hit 250GB a month. But probably not.

-Paron

crystilla
08-29-2008, 11:47 AM
Paron

What about a laptop in trader mode on 24/7 (less patches), and 2 other computers using the internet 50 hours a week each?

Chaos5522
08-29-2008, 11:52 AM
General internet browsing/gaming is not going to get you anywhere near the bandwidth limit....this is to stop file sharers from abusing all the bandwidth for their node constantly. While i don't think it's entirely accurate, their estimate that 99% of their users will ot be affected at all is a pretty close guess.

SO unless you're transferring over 200Gb of stuff per month (note it says data usage, so it counts both download and upload), you should have no reason to worry about this affecting EQ

Caeelar
08-29-2008, 12:40 PM
For reference, these boards don't come anywhere near the bandwidth usage numbers they are talking about. What they are trying to stop is folks who uncap there modem and download loads of movies.. in the process, killing the bandwidth of everyone that's on the same trunk as they are.

Hiirsh
08-29-2008, 12:49 PM
Hi Darthin!

Thanks for the info guys. We are a Time Warner cable customer and I would hate to see this new usage thing affect us. My PC alone is on all day and then both of us at night... cannot afford to pay for usage versus a flat fee.

Tallanor
08-29-2008, 01:09 PM
This sounds like a nice beginning to a plot for Hackers 2.

Chaos5522
08-29-2008, 01:21 PM
Bandwidth limits like this have existed for years. It's almost always the cable companies though, i can't recall hearing of DSL having limits like this...except maybe in Europe. The real sticking point is what happened after the limit...some companies were nice and gave you a 10k/s bandwidth limit after you exceed your quota, so you could still check email, browse the web, do some gaming; other companies would shut off the connection entirely.

Quimbius
08-29-2008, 04:53 PM
comcast has had the worst service for yearsamong all the isp they recently got slapped by fcc for blocking certain content which it turns out is not allowed.

Dorfnit
08-30-2008, 09:00 AM
comcast has had the worst service for yearsamong all the isp they recently got slapped by fcc for blocking certain content which it turns out is not allowed.

Erm..I actually worked for comcast about a year ago in tech support, I haven't heard any such thing...Blockage may appear on the server from the site you are trying to access, say if they have *!*@*comcast.net blocked, this is the only way you will find restrictions, unless you have a finicky firewall/browser. Comcast doesn't monitor where you go or what you do, UNLESS you are under investigation for malicious acts (watch what you download from p2p, torrents, etc) best to have a proxy to hide your identity if you wanna download, this would also solve your "content blocking" problem.

About the 250gb limit, it's more of a soft limit, whereas if it's really spread out over a month, you probably won't have any problems..They are trying to limit the massive round the clock up/downloads usually way over 250gb.. When I worked for them the software didn't even really give us detail on how much was up'd/downloaded and wasn't something we wasted our time checking..They are mainly just using a scare tactic to prevent seeders for torrents and fileservers..If you want that type of connection they usually have business plans that can accomidate but of course cost more..:)

Quimbius
08-30-2008, 03:55 PM
comcAST WAS Comcast was blocking traffic from BitTorent servers.

Dorfnit
08-31-2008, 05:00 AM
comcAST WAS Comcast was blocking traffic from BitTorent servers.

Again, comcast does not block any content..When downloading a torrent you are not downloading from "bittorrent servers". You are downloading globally from seeders (you and me) that actually have the software on their own personal computers, the bit torrent sites have nothing to do with the downloads except for providing the actual torrent which is basically a list of broadcast servers that in turn retrieve information on who has said file (torrent). If these announce servers were blocked you would not be able to download anything via torrent, I know for a fact that you can though. Although if you are using a default port in your bittorrent client, or don't have the port forwarded (open) on your router and or firewall, speeds may be VERY slow or it may not download at all as these ports may be monitored for usage also.. Just try changing ports and make sure it's open in your security software/router, you should have no problems.

Dorfnit
08-31-2008, 05:10 AM
Quim,
If you need help with any such changes to make your inet problems go away, email me at exhell@shaw.ca and I'll remote assist you free of charge :).

P.S: That goes for everyone else too (not limited to comcast).

Sigoniax
08-31-2008, 10:04 AM
http://news.cnet.com/Comcast-vs.-BitTorrent-to-be-focus-of-FCC-hearing/2100-1028_3-6231737.html

Looks like Quimbius is right lol

Dorfnit
09-01-2008, 07:38 AM
http://news.cnet.com/Comcast-vs.-BitTorrent-to-be-focus-of-FCC-hearing/2100-1028_3-6231737.html

Looks like Quimbius is right lol

Yes, it appears he is correct, it is still possible to download though, it isn't completely blocked..But the flood of RTS packets they send (I believe you can almost call this a DDoS attack which is NOT by any means legal) limits your speed drastically..I'm glad I quit before they implemented this BS, I'd hate to have to deal with all those angry custies. I'm sure there are still work-arounds, I'll find something!:)

Graeme
09-02-2008, 01:06 PM
Wow.

Anyone know what our typical gaming usage is?

Way way below that limit, even if you have EQ running 24/7.

Quimbius
09-02-2008, 04:43 PM
but do you really want a company you pay for service to limit you no other mainstream isp does this there is really no need, it should be easy to identify those abusing the bandwidth and deal withthem individually not put a blanket punishment overeveryone. there could be times in normal usage one might exceeedthese arbatary limits punish those that do it consistently .I have a feeling comcast will be hearing from the fcc again. My masters is in Telecommunication , not working in the field but these things interest me.

Sigoniax
09-02-2008, 05:25 PM
I've heard tell of Mediacom thinking of doing this. Luckily I dropped them a long time ago, and I'm on DSL now...but I always like having more than one option. Now if I move (soon prolly), and my DSL doesn't work out there or just plain sucks...I can't go back to cable. Bastids!

Graeme
09-02-2008, 06:36 PM
There are others doing this already, FCC won't do anything about that, it is an acceptable way of dealing with the problem as far as they are concerned. The problem with the other method they tried is it targetted specific uses of the internet.